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F3 to F4I Gauge Swap

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  •  02-09-2006, 03:25 AM 219055

    F3 to F4I Gauge Swap

    Ok.  Decided to finally make a tutorial on this since there are alot of questions floating around about it.  I did not cover the removal of the f3 gauges because its in the service manual and, well, I never had any gauges Stick out tongue  So...moving on.  You need to remove your gas tank, and air box (well, you might not NEED to remove the airbox, but its definately worth it!)  Anyways, again those are covered in the service manual, and thats really easy to do, so figure it out rtfm.  lol  Also, it might be easier to remove your upper fairing, but I ran naked, so wasnt an issue for me.  haha!

    Ok, now that thats out of the way, moving on to the acutal swap itself.  Its really simple, but its kind of a pain in the ass too, just to get the connectors on and what not. 

    What you need:

       F4I Gauges and and F3motor!!!
       -   needle nose pliers
       -   wire cutters (some pliers have this built in towards the bottom of the clamps) or a razor blade
       -   wire strippers, or your teeth (what I used, and they get soar after a bit Stick out tongue)
       -   about 3-4 ft of wire
       -   a service manual helps, but I'll include the wire color connections, so you dont need one if you can get the tank and airbox off yourself.
       -   male and female connectors for small wires. You can get these pretty much anywhere.  I got em at meijers, but autozone, murrays, radioshack, walmart, etc...(I think I used 18-22 gauge or something)  
        -  electrical tape, a soldering iron if you want to solder connections, but not necessary at all!

    EDIT: 98-99 900rr thermostat fits the f3 and works with the f4i guages - thanks dementedf3!

     

    Time to dive in.  Locate the connectors on the F3's wiring harness that the gauges plug into.  There are two, and they have little rubber boots that go around em.  If you had to disconnect your gauges, you know where they are.  They look like this:

     

    Set your f4i gauges on the bike where they arent gonna fall. I just set mine on top of my upper triple, and then put the wires through the triples.  You just wanna make sure that the connections are gonna reach even when the forks are turned lock to lock..  If they arent, you may have to move your wiring around, but they should!   

     

    Cut the connectors off the F3 harness and the f4i gauge harness.  Just use wire cutters and cut as close to the connector as possible.  Also, you may want to cut away a little of the heatshrink tubing or tape so you can expose and spread the wires apart more - easier to see the colors, more room to work.  Just cut it with a razor blade, be careful not to cut the wires underneath.  I just pulled it up, sliced a slot down it, then pulled it away from the wires and cut it all the way around. 

     

    Attach the connectors to each wire.  With the type of connectors I chose you just strip the wire, then slide the connector on, then squeeze it down with pliers.  Make sure to squeeze em good and tight so there is no chance of the connector coming off.  If you wanna go overboard, you can solder them too, but its not at all necessary. I didnt, and I had a soldering iron lying 2ft away - it just wasnt at all needed, in my opinion.

    Male Connector:

    Female Connector

    I decided half way through the process to just take off the little red plastic things that go around the base of the connectors and not use em.  If you are using connectors with those things on them, just grab the connector with your fingers, and pull the plastic part off with pliers.  The twist and pull method is the easiest.  They make it hard to squeeze the connectors on tight, and they make the connections bulky when you wrap them with electrical tape.  They are pointless.

     I decided to make all the wires from the f3 harness female connectors, and all the wires from the f4i gauges male.  Maybe I'm anal, it doesnt matter, but for me its easier to keep track whats what when i am connecting them that way.

    F3 Harness with female connectors attached to each wire:

    F4i Gauges with male connectors attached to each wire:

     

    You will need to run one wire straight from the battery to connect to the gauges so that the clock does reset every time you turn off the bike.  How you route it is up to you, but it needs to go up from the battery to where all the other connections are so it can connect to the red/green wire of the f4i gauges.  I just stripped the end and put it under my battery positive connector.

    I plan to electrical tape around each conection when I connect them permanently, so they dont touch each other and cause a short or something.  I am swapping front ends and so I just hooked em up to test em and take pics.

    Connect all the wires.  This is the fun part...banghead  Not really hard, just make sure you connect the right wires.  Heres how they go:

    F3                           to                        F4i

    Green/Blue                                       Green/Blue
    Pink/Green                                       Pink/Green
    Black/Brwon                                    Black/Brown
    Brown                                              Brown/White
    Light Green/Red                               Light Green/Red
    Orange                                             Orange
    Light Blue                                         Light Blue
    Blue                                                  Blue
    Blue/Red                                           Blue/Red
    Green (one)                                 Green
    Green/Black                                     Green/Black
    Yellow/Green                                   Yellow/Green
    Yellow/Black                                   Green/White
    Pink (solid pink) - ground this out (other green)      
                                                           Brown/Black - fuel reserve sensor - not used
                                                           White/Blue - fi indicator - not used.
                                                           Red/Green - battery(+) - connect to battery

    All connected:

     

    Now, turn the key, and if everything is connected right, you should see a glorious spinning of the tach and countdown on the speedo, as well as some pretty blinking lights.  oooohhhhhhhh.....ahhhhhhhhh.  Oh, and make sure your regulator is connected and the ground is connected.  Mine wasnt, and I couldnt figure out why the gauges werent working the second time I connected them (they worked great the first timeHuh?). lol.

    Gauges are a go!

    I got some cool blueish white leds installed in mine:

    they look really blue in the pic, but they are a little more whiteish.  Really nice looking I think.  I would have done this myself and posted a tutorial on it, but they were already done when I bought em Big Smile  

    Heres a video of the gauges when you turn the key.  video  hehe, I turned em on and off like 30 times when I got done...  so pretty.

    edit: fixed video


    1993 CBR F2 - F3 motor - Factory racing covers - F3 carbs stage 1 Jet Kit - Vortex Rearsets - 520 Chain/Sprockets -1/+3 - 1000rr front end - Ohlins Steering Damper- Custom subframe - Modified and filled 600RR Swingarm and rear end - 2001 f4i gauges - OEM HID projector - Under engine dual exhaust

    2003 CBR954RR Black and Red
  •  02-09-2006, 05:52 AM 219094 in reply to 219055

    Re: F3 to F4I Gauge Swap

    Glad to see you finally did it.
    Next step, temperature senor swap!
  •  02-09-2006, 06:28 AM 219096 in reply to 219094

    Re: F3 to F4I Gauge Swap

    Yeah, I might swap sensors, but I might not.  I had my fan rigged up to run all the time, so no real need for the sensor, besides so that I could know what temp its at.  I didnt see a bat problem with the fan on all the time either. 
    1993 CBR F2 - F3 motor - Factory racing covers - F3 carbs stage 1 Jet Kit - Vortex Rearsets - 520 Chain/Sprockets -1/+3 - 1000rr front end - Ohlins Steering Damper- Custom subframe - Modified and filled 600RR Swingarm and rear end - 2001 f4i gauges - OEM HID projector - Under engine dual exhaust

    2003 CBR954RR Black and Red
  •  02-10-2006, 05:04 AM 219230 in reply to 219096

    Re: F3 to F4I Gauge Swap

    so the tach is just run off a simple wire (or several) connection(s)?  no mechanical stuff?  that could make custom gauges a whole lot easier than I thought...
  •  02-11-2006, 03:34 AM 219364 in reply to 219230

    Re: F3 to F4I Gauge Swap

    Does this swap effect the redline? Is the speedo accurate? Will the fan still come on if i do not swap temp sensors? How hard is the temp swap?

    1998 CBR600F3
  •  02-11-2006, 08:37 AM 219384 in reply to 219364

    Re: F3 to F4I Gauge Swap

    Not sure what you are asking about redline... the tach will still have the redline indicated for the f4i, but the tach should have no effect on the actual rpm the bike can reach. 

    I think someone said the speedo was accurate on their f3 with -1 up front. So, to answer you question, no.  You need a speedohealer.

    The fan will come one yes, the temp sensor only is for user display.  PM Lp2, he did the temp swap. 


    1993 CBR F2 - F3 motor - Factory racing covers - F3 carbs stage 1 Jet Kit - Vortex Rearsets - 520 Chain/Sprockets -1/+3 - 1000rr front end - Ohlins Steering Damper- Custom subframe - Modified and filled 600RR Swingarm and rear end - 2001 f4i gauges - OEM HID projector - Under engine dual exhaust

    2003 CBR954RR Black and Red
  •  02-12-2006, 03:56 PM 219510 in reply to 219384

    Re: F3 to F4I Gauge Swap

    Good job!
    01 F4i
    custom paint* Hindle race slip-on*PC3usb*Memphis Shades screen*Corbin*short stalks*Vortex triple*Fender Elim.*tag on swingarm*polished hdw,wheel lips,chainguard,gas cap,brake res. cap*blue preload adjusters, bar ends*K+N*Clear Alternatives LED integrated taillight*blue valve stem caps*Galfer SS Front lines*-1 tooth*Blue Shorty Pazzo Racing levers*Soon to come: Full 2005 600RR suspension, big brakes, more paint, custom seat cowl
    05 Honda VFR800
    83 VF750F stock
    85 VF700F *K+N w/jet kit*F1 cobra slip-ons
  •  02-13-2006, 04:41 AM 219641 in reply to 219055

    Re: F3 to F4I Gauge Swap

    What about mounting the gauges to the bike?
  •  02-13-2006, 07:39 AM 219662 in reply to 219641

    Re: F3 to F4I Gauge Swap

    Well, I'll cross that bridge when I get there.  But I'm gonna be making a custom upper fairing stay for my custom upper fairing, so I dont know how much help that will be - lol.  Mountings on you, bget creative and be orignal Smile [:)]
    1993 CBR F2 - F3 motor - Factory racing covers - F3 carbs stage 1 Jet Kit - Vortex Rearsets - 520 Chain/Sprockets -1/+3 - 1000rr front end - Ohlins Steering Damper- Custom subframe - Modified and filled 600RR Swingarm and rear end - 2001 f4i gauges - OEM HID projector - Under engine dual exhaust

    2003 CBR954RR Black and Red
  •  02-14-2006, 08:11 PM 219887 in reply to 219662

    Re: F3 to F4I Gauge Swap

    Is the temp sensor just a straight swap out from the F3?
    '98 CBR600SE
  •  02-14-2006, 09:38 PM 219904 in reply to 219887

    Re: F3 to F4I Gauge Swap

    I dont think so, you could try asking LP2 - he did it.  I think you have to retap the hole for the f4i threads.
    1993 CBR F2 - F3 motor - Factory racing covers - F3 carbs stage 1 Jet Kit - Vortex Rearsets - 520 Chain/Sprockets -1/+3 - 1000rr front end - Ohlins Steering Damper- Custom subframe - Modified and filled 600RR Swingarm and rear end - 2001 f4i gauges - OEM HID projector - Under engine dual exhaust

    2003 CBR954RR Black and Red
  •  02-22-2006, 03:55 AM 221090 in reply to 219904

    Re: F3 to F4I Gauge Swap

    For temperature guage to read correctly you have to put in the F4i temperature sensor.
    This involes taking out the carb, and retaping the hole to fit the new sensor.

    My mileage read less than what it's suppose to be.

  •  02-22-2006, 09:44 PM 221175 in reply to 221090

    Re: F3 to F4I Gauge Swap

    Yeah, I really like this mod. But I was wondering how it would affect the mileage recorded. Is there any way to address this issue and make mileage accurate with this mod? I guess I don't understand exactly what causes it, even though I had a hunch it would be a problem.
  •  02-24-2006, 05:19 PM 221383 in reply to 221175

    Re: F3 to F4I Gauge Swap

    I just did the swap and everything works fine, but i have a question, still. There was two green wires on the F3 and one on the F4i cluster. Do i splice the two green ones together and connect it to the f4i or how do i do it?
    '98 CBR600SE
  •  02-25-2006, 02:07 AM 221433 in reply to 221383

    Re: F3 to F4I Gauge Swap

    Connect one of the green wires to the green f4i wire,  use the other one to ground out the pink wire. (edited the oringal post to reflect this, thanks for asking - I wrote that list before I actually did the swap and I guess I never updated it)

    As far as mileage goes, you could send them off to www.bluegauges.com and they can reset them to any mileage you want.


    1993 CBR F2 - F3 motor - Factory racing covers - F3 carbs stage 1 Jet Kit - Vortex Rearsets - 520 Chain/Sprockets -1/+3 - 1000rr front end - Ohlins Steering Damper- Custom subframe - Modified and filled 600RR Swingarm and rear end - 2001 f4i gauges - OEM HID projector - Under engine dual exhaust

    2003 CBR954RR Black and Red
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