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REVIEW: Godfather Race Fairings

Last post 07-17-2006, 05:17 AM by abadfish. 1 replies.
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  •  07-16-2006, 10:48 PM 241023

    REVIEW: Godfather Race Fairings

    Godfather Race Fairings - a CBRWorld.net review


    Product:  Godfather race fairings (for 2005 CBR 600RR)
    Manufacturer:  Godfather racing (web site)
    Price:  $500 + shipping when purchased directly from manufacturer.  A superbike tail option is available for an additional $20 (not listed on their web site).  Shipping from Florida to California was $50 via Fedex Ground.


    Introduction
    There are so many choices out there for aftermarket fairings.  The prices will range from several hundred dollars to over a thousand.  Many will argue that you get what you pay for.  Given a low budget, I decided to put this theory to the test.  In this review we'll discuss the issues I've faced in installing these fairings and how I resolved them.  For those of you who don't want the gory details, just skip down to the Summary.

    The set included the following pieces:
    - tank cover
    - upper cowl
    - lower cowl
    - supersport (or superbike) tail
    - front fender

    The upper and lower cowls take the place of three stock fairings (upper, middle, and lower cowls).  While this may be a surprise to some of you, this seems pretty standard with all aftermarket manufacturers for this bike as they all seem to do this.

    This is the first set of race fairings that I've personally owned, installed, and used.  While I know many would find it useful to compare these to other brands (e.g. Sharkskinz, Catalyst Composites, Armour Bodies, etc), I simply don't have the experience to offer that comparison.  My apologies.  However, what that ignorance will allow is an honest review of these fairings unbiased by the experience of using other brands.  I'd like to add that neither myself nor CBRWorld.net are in any way affiliated, sponsored, or related with godfather racing.

    Of important note, godfather racing moved their production operations from Mexico back to the US in January 2006.  This review is of a fairing set made in the new US production facility.

    [click on any pic for higher resolution]


    Part 1:  Installation
    Tank Cover
    The first piece I decided to install was the tank cover.  I started with this piece first because this piece seems independent of the others.  That is, the installation of this piece does not depend on an installation of any other piece (unlike the upper fairing which depends on the tank cover or the lower fairing which depends on the upper fairing).

    The only real issue with the installation was that the hole for the gas tank cover wasn't quite big enough to fit the tank cover with the rubber seal that was around it.  After removing the rubber seal, it fit fine.

    Drilling the holes for the mounting points was a minor issue in that I had to eyeball the 4 mounting points.  Fortunately, there was lot of room for error with this piece.

    Superbike....ehhhh.....Supersport Tail
    You may have seen in a previous post that I was having difficulty getting the tail on the bike when I first got these fairings.  After doing some research, I discovered that the only way to make this tail fit was to trim the stock undertray.  So I bought a somewhat trashed one on Ebay.  My intent was to have one for the track fairings and keep my original one with my street fairings.  While this idea seemed cool at first, the undertray proved to be a not-so-trivial swap.  So (for now) I've decided to use the trimmed one for both street and track plastics.  Not a big deal but I had to relocate some of my aftermarket electronics (Speedohealer and brake light modulator).

    I trimmed the undertray on the side "wings" so that the undertray is more or less flush with the subframe:

    Here's a pic of an unmodified undertray for comparison:

    Here's a comparison pic from above:

    Once that was done, the tail slipped on fairly easily.  But now came another issue (for me).  With the way the tank cover and superbike tail interfaced, there was no seat pad solution that looked cosmetically good.  I tried several solutions (ranging from cheap closed cell foam to pre-formed closed cell foam) and they all looked like a$$.  So I decided to convert my tail from a superbike tail to a supersport tail that uses the stock seat.  You can see below what I had to do to make this conversion:

    One advantage gained in doing this is that (according to a godfather) the superbike tail has six mounting points while the supersport tail only has four.  So there were two additional mounting points gained (the two where the stock seat mounts).

    Upper Cowl
    I decided to do the upper next.  The first thing you'll notice when you remove the stock upper is that the windscreen, sub-harness (which also contains the bank angle sensor), and air intakes go with it.  No big deal.  You just have to remove these and attach from the stock fairing and attach them separately.  You'll need to do this before installing the upper.  I was lucky to find these items cheap on Ebay so I can keep my stock upper intact.

    You'll have a choice on what to do with the bank angle sensor.  You can either eliminate it or remount it.  I chose the latter.  Fortunately, the stock fairing stay provided a very convenient way to do this (I don't know if this was by design on Honda's part).  The front fairing stay has two bosses sticking out beneath the dashboard.  I simply drilled and tapped into these bosses for mounting holes for the bank angle sensor:

    Here's the bank angle sensor mounted:

    Mounting the windscreen was straightforward.  I used the stock mounting brackets that extend from the fairing stay for added support.  The stock upper is quite thick compared to the race upper.  As a result the upper's mount on the front fairing stay is quite thick.  When used for the race upper, the windscreen bracket has quite a bit of free play.  So I placed some nylon spacers over the mount to make up for the extra thickness.  You can see the spacers in the pic above in the bank angle sensor.  Here's a pic with the upper and windscreen mounted:

    For those of you with frame sliders, you'll obviously need to cut holes for those.

    Lower Cowl
    The lower was quite simple.  Only the rear part of the lower mounts to the bike.  The front part mounts to the upper only.  So the lower was mounted to the upper first.  This was done with the upper off the bike.  Dzus fasteners were used to secure the lower to the upper.

    The left mount needed some slight modification.  The original shape was rounded.  I had to flatten it out to match the contour of the frame.

    Front Fender
    This installation was really simple.  No need to note anything here.

     

    So after all has been said and done, here's what it looks like.

    Mounting Fasteners
    My original plan was to use Dzus D-ring rivet type fasteners.  This would've worked fine for the upper and lower cowl connections.  But the mounting points where the uppercowl and tank cover wouldn't have worked.  The mounting tabs on the tank cover were just simply too small to fit the riveted spring.  So I then opted for the slip-on type Dzus fasteners since it had a smaller footprint.

    Other mounting points used Honda parts for fastners.  Many of them were OEM parts in their OEM locations.  In other places I used an OEM part but not in its OEM location.  In all cases, additional rubber and/or plastic washers were added to absorb vibration and take up any slack due to the differences in thickness between the race fairings and the thicker stock fairings.

    Here's a summary of the mounting points and what was used to secure it:

    #    Description    Fastener
    1    Tail - rear mount, Seat - rear mount    A*
    2   Tail - front mount, Tank cover - rear mount    B*
    3    Tank cover - front mount    C*
    4    Windscreen    D*
    5    Upper cowl - mirror mount    E*
    6    Tail - side mount    C
    7    Upper cowl - side mount    F*
    8    Upper cowl/Tank cover - rear mount    G
    9    Upper cowl/Tank cover - front mount    G
    10    Lower cowl - rear mount    C
    11    Upper cowl/Lower cowl    G

    * = OEM fasterner in its OEM location
    A = Pan Screw 6x14 (Honda p/n 90118-MR1-000)
    B = Bolt 6x17 (Honda p/n 90085-MAJ-A20), Plain Washer 6mm (Honda p/n 90525-428-900)
    C = Bolt 6x18 (Honda p/n 90021-MEE-940)
    D = Truss Screw 5x15 (Honda p/n 90109-MCJ-750), Thrust Washer 5mm (Honda p/n 90504-964-000), Washer (Honda p/n 64205-166-610), Wellnut 5mm (Honda p/n 90111-KW3-003)
    E = Socket Bolt 6x13 (Honda p/n 90130-MEE-000)
    F = Stud 9x15 (Honda p/n 90641-MCF-000), Washer 9x20 (Honda p/n 90504-HA0-000)
    G = Dzus D-Ring Panex fastener slip-on type (Lockhart Philllips p/n 236-217)

    The mounting points are not reinforced with carbon or kevlar (or some combination thereof) like other brands.  Though this is often a selling point for other brands, I did not run into any issues with godfather fairings not having them during the installation.  As long as you drill slowly and with a good, sharp, gently tapered drill bit, you should be okay.


    Part 2: Paint and Preparation
    Let me first state....I am not an experienced painter or body repairer.  So most of this part of the review is based on discussions with my painter. 

    Having said that, even to my untrained eye, it was obvious these fairings were not ready to be painted even though they came primed.  There were quite a few small gouges and pin holes in the finish.  So do expect to do at least some prep work before painting.  (From what I've read about other expensive fairings, perhaps this is one of the differences in price.  dunno)

    When the fairings first arrived, I took them out of the box.  It was making me cringe to hear them crackling as I was handling them but some pieces were sturdier than others.  As I handled the pieces more and more, cracks developed in areas that were weak.  Examples of such areas were where the upper transitions from the side panels to the windscreen, curved areas around the air vents on the upper, and areas of the tail. 

    Upon closer inspection, it was clear that there was little or no "glass" in the fiberglass and that only resin was in the weak areas.  As some of the areas were sanded, what started out as small pinholes or gouges became large holes.  Obviously, these areas had to be patched rather than just filled.  These areas were patched with a fiberglass matt and fiberglass resin.  Below is a sample of the fiberglass matt used.  Its much stronger than the fiberglass cloth used  by godfather. 

    The worst example of little or no glass in the fiberglass was on the left side of the tail piece that is underneath the seat.  As I was handling this piece, the right side buckled because it simply had no strength.  The pic below shows where the area was patched.

    The second worst patch job area was where the upper transitioned from the side fairing panel to the windscreen "ear".  These areas cracked and got progressively worse with more handling.

    There were other patches that needed to be made in the tank cover and other parts of the tail as well.

    Pinholes, gouges, and cracks were filled with cut-up fiberglass matt and fiberglass resin.  The following pics show some of the areas that started out as small blemishes but then had to be filled as sanding created a larger hole due to little or no "glass".

    Earlier I mentioned that the mounting tabs were not reinforced.  While this wasn't an issue during the installation, one tab did break while the fairings were at the painter.  While I don't know the details of how or why the tab broke, it does make one wonder if a reinforced mounting tab would've made a difference.  Anyway, the mounting tab was repaired in a similar manner as the patch jobs.

    The original fiberglass was made up of fiberglass cloth and fiberglass resin.  The patched areas were stronger than the original due to the fiberglass matt in place of fiberglass cloth.  Once the weak areas were addressed, the fairings were much stronger and very much more durable.

    Another noticeable "shortcoming" (for lack of a better word) was that some of the contours were not as smooth and straight as one would expect.  These were particularly obvious on the bottom of the lower (first pic below) and rear of the tail (second pic below) which both had slight undulations.  But these were only noticeable when you look very closely at the fairings.  They would certainly pass the "10 foot teset".

    By my painter's estimate, he put in about 10 hours of prep work of patching, sanding and priming.  So you do-it-yourselfers would expect to do something similar, if not more.


    Summary
    Okay, so here's the bottom line (1 star = poor, 5 stars = excellent):

    Installation -
    In spite of the bad press that godfather racing has received, I had no issues with installation.  Though not perfect, all of the mounting points were properly located and matched up quite nicely with the mounting points on the bike.  I do wish some of the mounting tabs were larger so I could fit a riveted Dzus fasterner rather than a clip-on type.

    Quality and Durability -
    Let me first start by stating what we define these terms to be.  Quality will be defined as the workmanship that was put into the manufacturing of this product and how consistent that workmanship is througout each piece.  Durability will be defined as the ability handle this product and withstand breakage.

    The fairings certainly weren't perfect out of the box.  Though the pieces came primed.  There were pin holes, cracks, and gouges in the fiberglass.  At this price, I'm not expecting a perfect finish (i.e. I was expecting to fill some pin holes and to sand and prime).  But I wouldn't expect to patch areas because of little or no fiberglass cloth used in the manufacturing process.  In other words, even if its low quality, I would expect low quality throughout each piece rather than low quality in some areas and no quality in others within the same piece.

    It will take a good amount of prep work to get these fairings up to snuff.  It took my professional painter about 10 hours to patch, sand, and prime.

    Crashability - TBD
    Sorry, I don't have any data to make an evaluation here.  And I'm going to try my best not to collect any. fingersx

    Customer Service -
    This is one area that godfather racing has taken a lot of heat from various forums on the internet.  At least some of it is not unjustified.

    Do not plan to have these fairings in a hurry.  Approximately 2 months passed between the time I ordered and when they were delivered even though I was told that lead time is 2 weeks as these fairings are made to order.  That in itself doesn't bother me.  What did bother me was that I would email or call godfather racing inquiring about the status and I was just misinformed about my order.  I was often told, "your order will ship this Friday."  I was also told that 3 Fridays in a row.  Then I was informed that the molds for my bike were damaged during their operations move from Mexico back to the US.  I just felt like I was getting the runaround.  Several times I was very tempted to just ask for my money back and get a different brand.

    Email response times varied.  Usually I got a response within 24 hours but about 5% of my emails never received a response.  Phone correspondence was better.  The vice president of godfather racing, Scott, usually answered the phone when I called.  He was at least pleasant to deal with even if I didn't like the information he was giving me.  But there was a time when Scott was in the hospital and someone else was answering the phones (I didn't catch his name).  This person was just downright awful.  He was very brash and rude, and sometimes confrontative with me.  I don't know what his role is at godfather racing but he should not be allowed to interface with customers until he improves his poor attitude. Nay!

    Within the next week that I received my fairings, Scott announced on another online forum that he was having a sale on this fairings.  The sale offered a 10% discount off of complete sets.  Given my long wait time and the fact that I had just received my set, I asked for the discount...... I was denied.  Very POOR!!!  Obviously, I'm not valued as a customer. Nay!Nay!

    However, it was not all negative.  When I first received the fairings, I was playing with the tail and had difficulty getting it on the bike.  When I called godfather racing, Scott was willing to call other 600RR customers to find out what was involved with this part of the installation.  And he did get back to me quite promptly.  This was how I knew I needed to modify my undertray.

    Godfather is trying to clean up their reputation.  For those unhappy customers, they are doing some kind of special offer to get a US-made set at a discounted price.  Only time and the court of public opinion will determine if this is an acceptable solution and change their customer's perception of them.


    Conclusion
    So it all comes down to two questions:  Am I happy with these fairings? and Would I recommend them to someone else?

    The first one is easy.  Yes, I'm happy with them (although that opinion may change if I collect some crash data and/or I ever get a different brand for comparison).  I was quite pleasantly surprised how well they fit and how smoothly the installation process went.  I have no experience with other [more expensive] brands (e.g. Sharkskinz, Catalyst Composites, Armour Bodies, etc.), but I thought this was a good bang for the buck.  You may have heard on other online forums some of the horror stories that some have experienced when installing these fairings.  It certainly made me uneasy reading them as I was waiting for my fairings to arrive.  Luckily, those possibilities never materialized for me.  In January 2006, godfather racing moved its production from Mexico back to the US.  I suspect the quality control and assurance improved with this move which could easily explain the ease of my installation.  That would also explain the increase in price for the fairing sets (the price went from $460 to $500 for most bikes).

    The second question is much more difficult to answer.  It will depend on your priorities.  From a budget perspective, this is a good buy, especially if you have experience doing body work and can prep and paint them yourself.  From the crash-ability perspective, I have no data to offer a knowledgeable opinion, unfortunately (I think Stick out tongue).  Other brands such as Sharkskinz get high marks from many racers and track riders but I can't offer a comparison to those brands in that regard.  From a customer service perspective, I would never want to deal with this company again!! cussing  I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, in spite of what I've heard about them..... that bit me HARD.  Personally, even a superior product does not excuse poor customer service.  But ultimately, you'll have to answer this question for yourself.


    Acknowledgements
    I'd like to thank John, owner of E & E Auto Body, for his awesome paint job and his time and patience in helping me with this review.  My cousin, Nicky, for the use of his camera when I didn't have one at the time.  And, of course, this wouldn't have been possible without the support of Mrs. Fish and my two guppies.

    - abadfish, June - July 2006


    badfish
    '05 600RR Purple/Black
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